The first question
Aleksander Piotrowski“I feel like it’s a big thing that my father is doing now. And I just want you to assure me he’s safe.”
Michael Lim“He’s safe. We’re not too worried about safety, for a very simple reason: we’ve been doing this twelve years. We’ve treated over a thousand clients, and we follow up with our patients. When we isolate the protein we have our own technology to prevent even allergy, so when it goes into the body it’s very receptive. And this protein — you were exposed to it before, when you were a baby. We take it from the umbilical cord. Your father’s not a guinea pig. The first guinea pig was myself.”
On why there’s a day of preparation first
Michael Lim“First we do a consultation to see your body and how it functions, and any problems — hypertension, diabetes, whatever. Then we do a pre-booster, a kind of detox, so that a lot of the signals asking for help will be quietened. Then tomorrow, the more persistent problems call for help more — and when we activate it, it goes to those places to help your body.”
On what happens inside the body
Aleksander Piotrowski“Please explain to me what will actually be happening in my father’s body after the whole treatment.”
Michael Lim“Once we put in the proteins, they’re absorbed into the cell — the cell walls have what we call communication walls, and we have our own way to make sure the door opens. Then your father’s stem cells receive the proteins, and it kickstarts them to rejuvenate. Not only rejuvenate, but increase their ability to grow their own. The mesenchymal stem cells grow on their own, and then they go and home in on the places he needs help.”
On what you notice, and in what order
Michael Lim“The face and the skin are the first areas you see the benefit — skin is very sensitive to stem cell rejuvenation. Then the intestine: constipation improves, IBS improves. Your taste buds improve, your breathing improves, then your stamina. Your eyes start to glow, because corneal regeneration improves. It always starts with the tissues with the highest ability to repair — the cornea, the liver. And after the liver improves, the first thing your father will realise is that a glass of wine or two will make him feel tipsy very fast.”
On why Malaysia
Michael Lim“We started in Singapore — we were the pioneers there. Around 2014 there was a lot of migration of good companies from Singapore to Malaysia, and the operating cost here was much cheaper, so I had the opportunity to get the equipment at a better price. That’s why I gave birth to all this in Malaysia, so the cost of R&D isn’t so high. R&D is a very expensive endeavour.”
On who it reaches, and who it doesn’t
Aleksander Piotrowski“How do we improve the cost of it, so it’s actually less expensive?”
Michael Lim“Volume. Our treatment is not a cheap treatment — the age that usually does it is around forty to sixty. We’ve treated people in their eighties and nineties. Two of our patients, who were with us for the last eight or nine years, just passed on at 102 and at 100. We’re quite proud of them. We’re also doing animal studies and progressing to clinical trials. We don’t market ourselves — it’s all word of mouth.”
On what it’s all for
Michael Lim“It’s an ongoing process. We are slowly slowing down the dynamic aging process. That’s all. We don’t think too far away — for us, our definition of longevity is health span. We don’t know life span yet. The only two people who could tell you are 102 and 100 years old.”
Aleksander Piotrowski“I feel like our main goal should be to shorten the death period. You should live as long as you can in a healthy state — so you’re not dying for twenty years. You’re dying for a little period of time, and you’re living, before that.”
Michael Lim“Correct.”
And from Dublin, four months earlier — the Longevity Summit, August 2023, where we met him first. What follows is his own account of his own clinic’s experience. It is not published trial data, and the figures in it are his.
On the turn he took in 2012
Michael Lim“It all started in the year 2012 when I accidentally thought, maybe I’m in a different direction from stem cells. Because at that time, I think the trend was using stem cell culture as a way to actually activate your stem cells. But I found that there was a lot of instability. No danger, but a lot of instability in the results. So I ventured even deeper. I found that there’s a group of proteins that we can actually get from the umbilical cord. And our technology, we name it CEXCI… It’s actually a special technology to see how the cell wall can behave, because not all two cells can communicate very well because it’s of two different DNA. So how we successfully help is we help your stem cells to open the cell wall door. Therefore, the proteins can go in and rejuvenate your stem cells… to start the chain reaction of stem cell renewal again.”
On what his patients tell him they notice
Michael Lim“You will see in the first couple of months, you will see your eyes will start to glow. Your skin will start to glow, be more radiant. And you won’t age. So the best result is seen after 2 years because you’re able to compare with your peers, and you found that: hey, I didn’t age. And then your wrinkles will improve as well… Your taste buds improve, so when you’re eating your food, you kind of taste better. Your memory will improve greatly, because my memory was very bad before. And of course, it helps your hearing… We’ve got even people who improve the breathing. The lung capacity improves. And muscle strength increase by at least 40%.”
On his father
Michael Lim“Like my father, who did the treatment 10 years ago — he was a diabetic since 32 years old, so we did for him when he was 70… He has stroke, cerebrovascular accident 7 times, with diabetes as well. So you wouldn’t think that he would live anything longer than 72. He went all the way to 81.”
On who he has treated, and on side effects in his own practice
Michael Lim“We’ve done, on compassionate grounds, for people as young as children as young as 3 years old to as old as 99 years old. So we haven’t yet reached anyone with centurion, but we are getting there. So we are still monitoring them. All of us are doing it for the purpose of anti-aging and wellness.”
Michael Lim“We have done about 1,000 over patients, or clients… We have not seen any. Maybe on the first day of the treatment you may feel a little bit tired. I mean, you clock an earlier hour to sleep, like a child, at maybe 10:30 PM, rather than your usual 12 AM… So you will feel a little bit of warmness in your blood, I mean, in your body, but there is no fever when you check.”
On why he came to Dublin at all
Michael Lim“We don’t believe that everyone will have all the solutions, so we actually know that there are many layers and there are many segments that we need to explore. That’s why I came to Longevity Summit — to see, I’m looking at all the experts with all their different directions, and it gives me a big global perspective and also on the whole topic of longevity, how vast it is.”
His advice to Alek, and the budget nobody makes
Michael Lim“Live healthy. That’s number one. Everything that comes free is not being appreciated at the beginning, at your age. You gotta drink lots of water. You gotta have enough sleep, right? You gotta reduce your stress, right? So these are the first few key free things that you can do. And over the years, if you don’t take care, you’re gonna need money to support that… And of course, appreciate life.”
Michael Lim“Budget for your children’s education or property that you need to grow, budget for your retirement… And also budget for caregiving. Because everybody is going to reach a stage where they cannot take care of themself. That is not an option. It is a natural process that you reach a stage that you cannot walk, so someone needs to take care of you.”
His wish for the quest
Michael Lim“I wish you all the very best in expansion, and I will support you all in any way I can. I think what you’re doing here is very wonderful, and I think humankind will benefit from this in the many, many decades to come. And this would mark, I guess, the history of the longevity. It could be the first phase, but you’re doing all the very, very good works to bring the right people here into the network.”
More passages from the full interview will be published here.
