The Horvath clocks · epigenetic age
Professor · inventor of the epigenetic clocks · co-founder, Clock Foundation
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Steve Horvath is one of 100+ experts in the Live Beyond Project — a father & son quest for longevity.
Discover Live Beyond →Almost every conversation on this quest eventually reaches a number — someone’s biological age, measured against the years they have actually lived. That number exists because of Steve Horvath. The epigenetic clocks the whole field now runs on carry his name.
The method reads cytosine methylation — chemical marks on DNA that shift in a startlingly regular way as an organism ages. From those marks his group can estimate biological age, and can predict the maximum lifespan of a species reasonably well, including when they turned the method on humans.
The breakthrough that mattered most was the 2013 pan-tissue clock: a single clock applying across all human cell types, rather than one calibration per tissue. It is the reason biological age became something you could ask about a person rather than about a blood sample.
And in that same 2013 paper, largely unremarked at the time, he showed something that now underwrites an entire industry. Administer the Yamanaka factors to fibroblasts or other adult cells, and the epigenetic age does not merely slow — it completely reverses to a fetal age. Negative age. The proof that epigenetic ageing is reversible was there in the paper that first taught us to read it.
What he wants now is more accuracy, and then interventions. Better clocks that genuinely capture biological age — his own summary of the field’s state is that everybody talks about it, but nobody really knows how to measure it — and then things that actually reverse the number. That, he says, is what his lab pursues day in, day out.
We met Steve at the Longevity Summit in Dublin — one of the earliest stops on the quest, and one of the most consequential, because almost everyone we met afterwards referred back to his work whether they named him or not. Aleksander conducted much of this one, including the closing questions. There is something fitting about an seventeen-year-old asking the man who invented the measurement what he would say to the young.
“Everybody talks about biological age, but nobody really knows how to measure it.”
— Steve Horvath, Dublin
“When you administer the Yamanaka factors to cells from an adult, you completely reverse the epigenetic age to a fetal age. Negative age.”
Steve Horvath · DublinWe can predict the maximum lifespan of a species fairly well from the methylation.
Steve HorvathWe want to build ever more accurate clocks — accurate in the sense that they really capture what people call biologic age.
Steve HorvathAnd at the same time, find interventions that really reverse that epigenetic age.
Steve HorvathA year ago, if you had asked me whether we’d reach that level of artificial intelligence in our lifetime, I would have said no — it will take us a hundred years.
Steve HorvathFrom our conversation in Dublin — what the clock actually reads, the result hiding in the 2013 paper, and the thing that recently surprised him.
Cytosine methylation — chemical marks on DNA that change with age in a regular enough way to be read as a measurement. The same signal predicts the maximum lifespan of a species, not just the age of an individual.
“We can predict the maximum lifespan of a species fairly well.”
Dublin · from the interviewThe pan-tissue clock made biological age measurable across all human cells. In the same paper he showed Yamanaka factors reversing adult cells to a fetal epigenetic age — the proof of reversibility that much of the reprogramming field now rests on.
“You completely reverse the epigenetic age to a fetal age.”
Dublin · from the interviewAsked about the pace of progress, he reached not for biology but for AI — and admitted that a year earlier he would have put that level of capability a century away. A useful caution from someone whose own field moved faster than expected too.
“I would have said no, it will take us a hundred years.”
Dublin · from the interviewThe video interview is coming. Recorded interviews go live after the launch of the film & series Live Beyond.
Selected passages from our conversation with Steve Horvath — Longevity Summit, Dublin, 2023. Marek opens; Aleksander asks the closing questions. Lightly edited for readability.
Steve Horvath“It’s the cytosine methylation. And we can predict the maximum lifespan of a species fairly well — so when we then analysed humans and predicted what the maximum lifespan is based on epigenetics…”
Steve Horvath“What excites me is to understand whether modulating the epigenome will have health benefits. That’s really my question. I’m excited about anything that promotes health — I’m just saying that in my lab, that’s what we pursue.”
Steve Horvath“We want to build ever more accurate clocks — accurate in the sense that they really capture what people call biologic age. Everybody talks about it, but nobody really knows how to measure it. So we, and several other labs, work on that question: how to measure it, and then at the same time find interventions that really reverse that epigenetic age. That’s what I’m working on day in, day out.”
Steve Horvath“Back in 2013, when I published the so-called pan-tissue clock that applies to all human cells — in that paper I already showed that when you administer the Yamanaka factors to fibroblasts, for example, or other cells from an adult, you completely reverse the epigenetic age to a fetal age. Negative age.”
Steve Horvath“A year ago I was really surprised by the artificial intelligence revolution. Because if you had asked me a year ago, will we reach that level of artificial intelligence in our lifetime, I would have said no — it will take us a hundred years. That would have been my prediction.”
More passages from the full interview will be published here.
Steve sits in Radical Life Extension with a foot in Biohacking Upgrades — he built the measurement the whole field depends on, and showed the number can go backwards.
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