Comparative biology of ageing · long-lived species
What the naked mole-rat and the bowhead whale know · Copenhagen
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Discover Live Beyond →Vera Gorbunova studies the species that should not work. The naked mole-rat is a rodent the size of a mouse that lives roughly ten times longer, and barely gets cancer. The bowhead whale is the longest-lived mammal on earth, passing two hundred years. Her question is simple to state and hard to answer: what do they have that we don’t?
Her first conclusion is uncomfortable for the lifestyle end of the field. Within a species, environment matters — one human lives to seventy, another to ninety. But between species it is overwhelmingly genetic. It does not matter how perfect the conditions you give a mouse; it will never live as long as a naked mole-rat.
Which is why her laboratory did something rather bold: they took the naked mole-rat’s gene for producing hyaluronic acid and put it into mice. Those mice lived about ten percent longer. She is careful about why the number isn’t larger — a naked mole-rat carries perhaps ten times more hyaluronic acid in its tissues than a mouse or a human, and her transgenic mice managed barely a twofold increase. One gene, partially expressed, and it still moved lifespan.
Hyaluronic acid also slows cancer and metastasis, which is likely how it reaches people first. Not approved for longevity — that pathway is long — but as part of an anti-cancer therapy, which she thinks is achievable within about five years.
Her other line of work is where the RLE label really earns itself. Most reprogramming uses pioneer factors that push a cell back toward an embryonic state, with all the risk that carries. She works instead with SIRT6, which is not a pioneer factor: it doesn’t change what the cell is. An old liver cell has chromatin that has come loose; SIRT6 tightens it just enough that it becomes a young liver cell — not a kidney cell, not an embryo. Rejuvenation without loss of identity.
We filmed with Vera at ARDD in Copenhagen, having first heard her speak in Dublin. Marek came back to a number he remembered from that lecture — that transferring genes between species had produced only three to five percent — and she corrected him: it was closer to ten. That exchange is the whole page in miniature. The effects are real, they are measurable, and they are still far below the ceiling the animals themselves demonstrate.
“It doesn’t matter how wonderful the conditions you create for your mice — they will not live as long as a naked mole-rat. So it is genetic.”
— Vera Gorbunova, Copenhagen“That was the naked mole-rat gene we transferred to mice. The lifespan extension was around ten percent.”
Vera Gorbunova · ARDD, CopenhagenThe naked mole-rat is a tiny rodent the size of a mouse — but they live ten times longer than mice.
Vera GorbunovaThe bowhead whale is the longest-lived mammal. They live even longer than humans — two hundred plus.
Vera GorbunovaA naked mole-rat has maybe ten times more hyaluronic acid in its tissues than a human or a mouse. Our transgenic mice had hardly a twofold increase.
Vera GorbunovaSIRT6 takes the cell the way it is and changes it into the same cell, but young. Not a kidney cell. Not an embryo cell.
Vera GorbunovaFrom our conversation in Copenhagen — why species differences are genetic, what happened when she moved a gene, and how this might reach people.
Within a species, lifestyle and environment shift the number. Between species they don’t. No amount of careful husbandry turns a mouse into a naked mole-rat, which means the answers to the biggest differences are written in the genome.
“When we discuss differences between species, it’s mostly genetic.”
Copenhagen · from the interviewHer lab moved the naked mole-rat’s hyaluronic acid gene into mice and got roughly ten percent more lifespan — from a single gene expressed at a fraction of the donor animal’s level. The interesting part is how much headroom that implies.
“One tiny thing — and even then we didn’t achieve the same level as the naked mole-rat.”
Copenhagen · from the interviewReprogramming with pioneer factors risks sending a cell back toward the embryonic state. SIRT6 doesn’t. It tightens what has come loose in an ageing cell so it becomes a young version of exactly the cell it already was.
“It becomes a young liver cell. But not a kidney cell.”
Copenhagen · from the interviewThe video interview is coming. Recorded interviews go live after the launch of the film & series Live Beyond.
Selected passages from our conversation with Vera Gorbunova — ARDD, Copenhagen, August 2024. Lightly edited for readability.
Vera Gorbunova“Species such as the naked mole-rat — a tiny rodent, the size of a mouse, but they live ten times longer than mice. And the bowhead whale, which is the longest-lived mammal. They live even longer than humans.”
Marek Piotrowski“This is like two hundred years?”
Vera Gorbunova“Two hundred plus.”
Vera Gorbunova“Within humans, somebody will live seventy years, somebody ninety. But when we discuss differences between species, then of course it’s mostly genetic — because it doesn’t matter how wonderful the conditions you create for your mice, they will not live as long as a naked mole-rat. So it is genetic.”
Marek Piotrowski“You changed some genes or gene expression in other animal models, transferring them from whales or rats — and the change in lifespan wasn’t so huge. Three or five percent?”
Vera Gorbunova“No, it was closer to ten percent. That was specifically the naked mole-rat gene that we transferred to mice. The reason we didn’t get more is that it was a gene for the synthesis of hyaluronic acid, and we made these mice produce more hyaluronic acid, to be more like naked mole-rats.”
Marek Piotrowski“So that was just one tiny thing.”
Vera Gorbunova“One tiny thing — but even then, we didn’t achieve the same level of hyaluronic acid as in the naked mole-rat. A naked mole-rat has maybe ten times more in its tissues than a human or a mouse. Our transgenic mice had hardly a twofold increase.”
Vera Gorbunova“It slows down cancer, it slows down metastasis. So maybe not having longevity as the first indication, but as part of an anti-cancer therapy that can be used fairly soon.”
Marek Piotrowski“So is it one year, five years, ten years?”
Vera Gorbunova“I would say within five years easily.”
Vera Gorbunova“Our choice is to use epigenetic factors like SIRT6, which are not pioneer factors. It doesn’t change cell fate — it doesn’t rewire the cell back to the embryonic cell. It takes the cell the way it is and changes it into the same cell, but young. So this is, for example, a liver cell, and chromatin has to be organised in a certain way. If it’s an old liver cell, some things get loose. What SIRT6 can do is tighten things up just enough that it becomes a young liver cell. But not a kidney cell. Not an embryo cell.”
Vera Gorbunova“I think you’re doing very important work, because we have to explain to laypeople why we do it and how everyone would benefit from it. I wish you a very happy conclusion, and that a lot of people will see the results of your work — and that it will really make a difference.”
Marek Piotrowski“If our bodies were more resilient, if our heart and mind were more resilient, we would just live longer.”
Vera Gorbunova“Yes. Resilience is important.”
More passages from the full interview will be published here.
Vera sits in Radical Life Extension with a foot in Biohacking Upgrades — borrowed genes and cellular rejuvenation, with a nearer-term route through cancer therapy.
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