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Cryonics is not the goal — it’s the insurance policy on the goal · Scottsdale, Arizona
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Discover Live Beyond →Almost everyone misunderstands what Max More is arguing for. He is not campaigning to be frozen. His first sentence on the subject is that his goal is certainly not to die in the first place — that is the number one priority, and everything else is contingency.
The contingency matters because biology does not respect your timeline. You could be hit by a car tomorrow, or have a heart attack. So he treats biostasis — his preferred, broader term for cryonics — as one component inside an overall plan for life extension. Get the arrangements in place, because if you don’t make it as far as the medicine does, it is the only remaining chance.
The technical claim rests on a distinction he insists on and most people miss. Cryopreservation begins at the point of legal death — which is emphatically not the same thing as real death, or biological death. At that point the cells are protected chemically and the body cooled rapidly to −196°C, at which nothing whatsoever is happening: no molecular activity at all. From there, you can wait as long as it takes.
He is unusually honest about the state of it. It is not mature — it is maturing. It is far better than the late sixties and early seventies, when they could barely protect tissue at all. And the field is, in his own words, ridiculously small: only a few thousand people worldwide have arrangements, which means the organisations have almost no resources. Response is reasonable in the US and much of Europe; in South America it is genuinely risky.
What makes him valuable to this project, though, is the last thing he said. Being pro life extension does not, for him, mean believing the field’s claims. Longevity has a long history of supposed cures that did not work, and he thinks the community’s obligation is to stay critical of itself — ask why someone says a thing, ask why they think it will work, and get other opinions on it.
We met Max at the Longevity Summit in Dublin, one of the first stops of the quest. Marek had come to cryonics before he came to longevity — eight years earlier, at a conference on extreme future technologies alongside asteroid mining and orbital solar. Aleksander asked the closing questions, including the one about AI. Max’s answer to him is the line we kept coming back to: that with luck none of this will be needed, and certainly not for someone Alek’s age.
“My goal is certainly not to die in the first place. That’s number one priority.”
— Max More, Dublin
“Just because I’m very pro life extension doesn’t mean I think all the ideas are sensible. It’s very important in this community to be critical in our thinking as well.”
Max More · DublinLegal death is not the same as real death, or biological death, for that matter.
Max MoreAt minus 196 Celsius nothing is happening. There is no molecular activity whatsoever. You can then wait for as long as it takes.
Max MoreIt’s not mature, no. It’s very much maturing.
Max MoreCryonics is still very small — ridiculously small. There are only a few thousand people with arrangements in the world.
Max MoreFrom our conversation in Dublin — what cryonics is actually for, how honest he is about its limits, and what he told Aleksander about AI.
Not because he wants to be preserved, but because the medicine might arrive after you do not. It is a bridge from a present that cannot fix the things that kill us to a future that might — and it only helps if it is arranged in advance.
“You have to have that in place, because it’s the only chance to live longer in the future.”
Dublin · from the interviewHe volunteers the weaknesses rather than defending them: not mature, far better than the seventies but still developing, and a field so small that the organisations have very little resource. Coverage is decent in North America and Europe, poor elsewhere.
“It should be vastly bigger, and that’s a good question as to why it’s not.”
Dublin · from the interviewHe has watched AI disappoint for decades and is now hopeful — and frustrated that the moment it works, people want it paused. His hope is that it accelerates biology enough that he never needs cryopreservation at all.
“Hopefully it’ll save me. Maybe we can defeat aging before I get too old — and certainly in time for you.”
Dublin · from the interviewThe video interview is coming. Recorded interviews go live after the launch of the film & series Live Beyond.
Selected passages from our conversation with Max More — Longevity Summit, Dublin, 2023. Marek opens; Aleksander asks the closing questions. Lightly edited for readability.
Max More“I think of cryonics, or more broadly biostasis, as part of an overall plan for life extension. My goal is certainly not to die in the first place. That’s number one priority.”
Marek Piotrowski“Me too.”
Max More“But the first thing you need to do is get your cryonics arrangements in place — because if we don’t make it that long, and of course you could get run over tomorrow in a car accident, or have a heart attack, you have to have that in place. It’s the only chance to live longer in the future.”
Max More“The basic idea is to take us from a point today, where we can’t fix the problems that cause aging, heart attacks, cancer, whatever it is — to stop things getting worse and take you into the future. At the point of legal death, which I have to stress is not the same as real death, or biological death for that matter, we protect the cells with various chemicals and cool you down very rapidly to an extremely cold temperature, minus 196 Celsius. At which point nothing is happening. There’s no molecular activity whatsoever. You can then wait for as long as it takes.”
Max More“It’s not mature, no. It’s very much maturing. There’s a lot of research going on, and it has got a lot better over the last few decades — because in the early days, starting in the late sixties into the early seventies, we really couldn’t protect the tissues very much.”
Max More“Cryonics is still very small. I mean, it’s ridiculously small, and it should be vastly bigger — and that’s a good question as to why it’s not. There are only really a few thousand people with arrangements for this in the world, so you can imagine the organisations don’t have huge resources. There are certain areas where you can get response pretty quickly: the United States, Canada to a degree, a lot of Europe. Alcor can get to Europe, and there’s a newer organisation, Tomorrow Biostasis, covering Europe. If you’re in South America, that’s pretty risky — there isn’t much coverage.”
Max More“Don’t just listen to a few voices, or the loudest voices — get a wide range of views. And secondly, think critically about what you hear. Just because I’m very pro life extension doesn’t mean I think all the ideas are sensible. It’s very important in this community to be critical in our thinking as well. Ask questions: why do you say that, why do you think this will work? Longevity, if you look historically, has a long history of people coming up with supposed cures for aging that don’t work. We’re today finally reaching a real scientific basis, and it’s very important that we stick to that.”
Aleksander Piotrowski“We know AI is a really emerging technology. Do you see its influence on cryonics?”
Max More“I’m very hopeful about the influence of AI. I’ve been watching it for decades and been very frustrated — when is this actually going to happen? And finally it starts really working. What disturbs me is that as soon as we get working AI, people are saying stop it, put it on pause, bomb the data centres. It’s very distressing. We need AI, because progress has been quite slow and this has a real possibility of accelerating research and our understanding of human biology. So I’m hopeful. If we don’t stop it, I think it could really accelerate progress — and hopefully it’ll save me. I won’t have to be cryopreserved. Maybe we can defeat aging before I get too old, and certainly in time for you.”
More passages from the full interview will be published here.
Max sits in Radical Life Extension with a foot in Creating the Movement — the backstop technology, and a standing demand that the field stay honest. See also James Arrowood at Alcor.
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