Andrea Cipriano is at Stanford Medicine, in reproductive, perinatal and stem cell biology — the same Stanford department Vittorio Sebastiano worked in, whom we also filmed at this conference — and he is part of the Biomarkers of Aging Consortium. We met him in Boston in November 2024.
Asked why ageing, he gave both halves of the answer, which not everybody does. There is the emotional one: every one of us has family, and his grandparents are getting older. And there is the one he calls selfish, and says with a laugh: he is going to get old one day himself.
Then he made the sharpest observation anybody made at that conference. If you talk about cancer, there is a definition — people know what cancer is. Neurodegeneration has definitions. Ageing does not. “Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.” That is a scientist standing in a room full of the world’s authorities on the subject and saying, plainly, that the subject has no agreed definition.
And underneath that sits the physical difficulty, which is why he thinks biomarkers are not a specialism within the field but its ground floor. “Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.” The signal you are hunting is barely above the noise. So everything anybody wants to build — interventions, trials, clinics — sits on being able to measure the thing at all. He puts it in one sentence that could be the motto of the whole conference: if we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.
A note about this page. Our filmed conversation with Andrea was short — a few minutes, walking, between sessions. Everything in quotation marks here is very nearly all of it. He is worth an hour and he has not had one yet.
We met Andrea in Boston in November 2024, at the Biomarkers of Aging Conference at Harvard Medical School — which he helps run. It is the one stop on the quest where we were not chasing a single scientist across a country: four of the people who make this field run were in the same park on the same afternoon, and we filmed them one after another, walking. Mahdi Moqri, Jesse Poganik, Andrea Cipriano and Chiara Herzog, with Dane Gobel of the Methuselah Foundation. In the same few days we also sat down with George Church, Vadim Gladyshev, Vittorio Sebastiano, Andrea Maier, Nathan Cheng and Allison Duettmann.
“If we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.”
— Andrea Cipriano, Boston
“Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.”
Andrea Cipriano · BostonThere is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older.
Andrea CiprianoOn the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.
Andrea CiprianoAging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.
Andrea CiprianoTo fix a disease, we need to be able to measure disease. So biomarkers, I think, are the ground level, and on top of that you can build intervention.
Andrea CiprianoIf we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.
Andrea CiprianoFrom a short conversation in Boston — why he does this, why the word itself is a problem, and why measurement comes before everything.
He gives both reasons and does not dress either of them up: the family in front of him, and himself.
“There is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older… On the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.”
Boston · November 2024Cancer has a definition. Neurodegeneration has definitions. Ageing has a word everybody uses and nobody in that building could define for him.
“Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot… if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.”
Boston · November 2024The signal is barely above the noise, which is exactly why everything anybody wants to build on top of it depends on measuring it properly first.
“Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.”
Boston · November 2024The video interview is coming. Recorded interviews go live after the launch of the film & series Live Beyond.
Our whole filmed conversation with Andrea Cipriano was a few minutes, walking between sessions in Boston in November 2024. What follows is very nearly all of it. Cleaned of hesitation only; nothing inside a quotation has been reworded.
Andrea Cipriano“Aging is one of the thing in biology that is kind of understood, but not completely. There is not knowing about aging. So there is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older. On the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.”
Andrea Cipriano“Most of it, I think, is the most challenging topic, because if you talk about cancer, there is a definition. People knows what is cancer. Neurodegeneration, there are definition. Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know. So it’s a phenomena that is extremely complicated, and it’s challenging.”
Andrea Cipriano“Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background. So in order to measure something and to fix something, we need the right biomarker. To fix a disease, we need to be able to measure disease. So biomarkers, I think, are the ground level, and on top of that you can build intervention, and it’s the basics for scientists. If we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.”
That really is nearly all of it. A longer conversation with Andrea Cipriano is one of the things worth going back for.
Andrea sits in Longevity Basics and on the Bridge of Prevention. He was filmed the same afternoon as Mahdi Moqri, Jesse Poganik and Chiara Herzog.
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