Andrea Cipriano
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Andrea
Cipriano

Stanford Medicine · Reproductive, Perinatal & Stem Cell Biology
Biomarkers of Aging Consortium · Boston, November 2024

Level 1 · BasicsLongevity BasicsBefore anything else: what ageing actually is — which, he points out, nobody has defined.
The Bridge · PreventionPreventionIf you cannot measure it, you cannot fix it. Biomarkers as the ground floor of everything above.
Levels of Longevity Map Andrea explores
Undefined
What ageing still is, even to the experts
Background
How small the signal actually is
Stanford
Reproductive & stem cell biology
Grandparents
Why he started
Who is Andrea Cipriano

You cannot fix what you cannot measure

Andrea Cipriano is at Stanford Medicine, in reproductive, perinatal and stem cell biology — the same Stanford department Vittorio Sebastiano worked in, whom we also filmed at this conference — and he is part of the Biomarkers of Aging Consortium. We met him in Boston in November 2024.

Asked why ageing, he gave both halves of the answer, which not everybody does. There is the emotional one: every one of us has family, and his grandparents are getting older. And there is the one he calls selfish, and says with a laugh: he is going to get old one day himself.

Then he made the sharpest observation anybody made at that conference. If you talk about cancer, there is a definition — people know what cancer is. Neurodegeneration has definitions. Ageing does not. “Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.” That is a scientist standing in a room full of the world’s authorities on the subject and saying, plainly, that the subject has no agreed definition.

And underneath that sits the physical difficulty, which is why he thinks biomarkers are not a specialism within the field but its ground floor. “Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.” The signal you are hunting is barely above the noise. So everything anybody wants to build — interventions, trials, clinics — sits on being able to measure the thing at all. He puts it in one sentence that could be the motto of the whole conference: if we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.

A note about this page. Our filmed conversation with Andrea was short — a few minutes, walking, between sessions. Everything in quotation marks here is very nearly all of it. He is worth an hour and he has not had one yet.

Biomarkers of Aging Consortium Stanford Medicine Stem cell biology What ageing even is Measurement first
Andrea Cipriano during the Live Beyond interview in Boston, November 2024
Boston · November 2024

Four people, one park, one afternoon

Where we met

We met Andrea in Boston in November 2024, at the Biomarkers of Aging Conference at Harvard Medical School — which he helps run. It is the one stop on the quest where we were not chasing a single scientist across a country: four of the people who make this field run were in the same park on the same afternoon, and we filmed them one after another, walking. Mahdi Moqri, Jesse Poganik, Andrea Cipriano and Chiara Herzog, with Dane Gobel of the Methuselah Foundation. In the same few days we also sat down with George Church, Vadim Gladyshev, Vittorio Sebastiano, Andrea Maier, Nathan Cheng and Allison Duettmann.

Boston
Harvard Medical School · November 2024
The Biomarkers of Aging Conference — the room in which he says nobody can define the subject.
The park
Between the sessions
A few minutes, walking. Short, and three of the best answers of the trip.
Stanford
Reproductive & stem cell biology
The same department Vittorio Sebastiano worked in — also filmed at this conference.

“If we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.”

— Andrea Cipriano, Boston
In his words

A word nobody has defined

“Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.”

Andrea Cipriano · Boston

There is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older.

Andrea Cipriano

On the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.

Andrea Cipriano

Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.

Andrea Cipriano

To fix a disease, we need to be able to measure disease. So biomarkers, I think, are the ground level, and on top of that you can build intervention.

Andrea Cipriano

If we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.

Andrea Cipriano
In his own words

Straight from the interview

From a short conversation in Boston — why he does this, why the word itself is a problem, and why measurement comes before everything.

Why he does it

He gives both reasons and does not dress either of them up: the family in front of him, and himself.

“There is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older… On the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.”

Boston · November 2024

The word itself

Cancer has a definition. Neurodegeneration has definitions. Ageing has a word everybody uses and nobody in that building could define for him.

“Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot… if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know.”

Boston · November 2024

Why measurement is the ground floor

The signal is barely above the noise, which is exactly why everything anybody wants to build on top of it depends on measuring it properly first.

“Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background.”

Boston · November 2024
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From the conversation

Andrea Cipriano, in his words

Video interview

The video interview is coming. Recorded interviews go live after the launch of the film & series Live Beyond.

Our whole filmed conversation with Andrea Cipriano was a few minutes, walking between sessions in Boston in November 2024. What follows is very nearly all of it. Cleaned of hesitation only; nothing inside a quotation has been reworded.

On why he works on ageing

Andrea Cipriano“Aging is one of the thing in biology that is kind of understood, but not completely. There is not knowing about aging. So there is an emotional component, of course, because every one of us has family. My grandparents are getting older. On the other side, there’s some selfish motivation, because I’m gonna get old one day.”

On the word nobody can define

Andrea Cipriano“Most of it, I think, is the most challenging topic, because if you talk about cancer, there is a definition. People knows what is cancer. Neurodegeneration, there are definition. Aging is this mysterious-like word that people use a lot. Also, big expert in this conference, if you ask them, what is aging, they still don’t know. So it’s a phenomena that is extremely complicated, and it’s challenging.”

On why measurement comes first

Andrea Cipriano“Aging is an extremely small phenomena. It’s very close to the background. So in order to measure something and to fix something, we need the right biomarker. To fix a disease, we need to be able to measure disease. So biomarkers, I think, are the ground level, and on top of that you can build intervention, and it’s the basics for scientists. If we don’t know how to measure something, we will not know how to fix it.”

That really is nearly all of it. A longer conversation with Andrea Cipriano is one of the things worth going back for.

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Andrea sits in Longevity Basics and on the Bridge of Prevention. He was filmed the same afternoon as Mahdi Moqri, Jesse Poganik and Chiara Herzog.

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